I could feel myself actually growing during and after the workout.. This is something I will be covering in the book, with references. He would exert himself to the point of muscle failure because of this. HIT training w/deads can be brutal, squats are equally brutal. Body Building Links. Ray lost his fight against Bergers Disease and was found dead in his apartment less than 48 hours later. Rest 2 to 3 minutes Ellington Darden: Yes, I believe youre right, especially those who recommend only three exercises once a week, or even once every-other week. In mid-February 1971, Jones noted that Casey was down to 205 pounds and was smoother than hes been since he moved to Florida. When Casey trained himself, according to Jones, he gradually lost muscle and got fatter. Doing low reps with a big weight was one of Rays main training tenets. You can build up to it. Once I saw her creative design and layout, I realized that she had leapfrogged significantly my other bodybuilding books. Mike continued to train and excelled in the gym and his academic pursuits. Ken always came back for more, and perhaps most importantly, asked intelligent questions. But Mike was unreceptive. 1979 AAU Mr. America. Super-Slow - Take a full 10 seconds to perform the positive part of the reps and four seconds for the negative. Drew Baye: What did you think of Mentzers Heavy-Duty books? Not surprising to me, the addition of 18-1/2 pounds of muscle increased his resting metabolic rate by 530 calories, or 28.6 calories per pound of added muscle per day. Hutchins was a beginner and I had been training seriously for a number of years. And, hes into the martial arts, so he does some of that several times a week. But as I look back on my 45 years of bodybuilding experience, combined with the thousands and thousands of individuals Ive trained (and observed training), I can say with confidence that more people would profit from an understanding and application of proper form, than from proper intensity. When I was around Mike, we got along fine. Food blog that features daily healthy recipes. Then, he discusses how he merged his experiences into his latest publication, The New High Intensity Training. Halfway through the photo shoot, I could tell that Carol was quickly getting a handle on the subject matter. And Im glad he did. And of course, lets not forget about that middle 68 percent, the wishy-washy majority, who have trouble believing seriously in any training philosophy for very long. Learn all you can about what motivates you. Staying off stages for most of the rest of the decade, Viator worked for Jones at Nautilus until 1978. Ellington Darden: Yes thats precisely what we were thinking. Rest 1 minute All it takes to get bigger and stronger, Miller says with his friendly demeanor, is an understanding of weight-training basics and hard work.. Finally, Jones informed Ray that once he was back in Lake Helen, to give the lady a tour starting with the barn. Hutchins was mostly involved in the physical therapy side of Nautilus, which finally led to his supervisory position in a Nautilus-sponsored osteoporosis research project at the University of Florida Medical School in 1982. Among these regimens was the well-known Heavy Duty Training.. Rest 3 to 5 minutes A couple of years earlier, at one of the industrys annual fitness conventions, Hutchins had been involved in a panel discussion that included Cooper. Arthur Jones frequently said that when he trained Viator, Casey got bigger and leaner, by the day. Mike Mentzer Workout Routine . Ray was the first bodybuilder I ever saw who weighed 250 pounds or more, in fairly lean condition. In his first bodybuilding contest, he met the winner, Casey Viator. All of these champions were drug-free and I must emphasize that there were some very well built men in the 40s and 50s. It was during this time that he developed his largest physique. Legs. And Mike made at least one appearance at the old Lancaster Health Spa. Learning logic and acquiring the ability to think critically is not easy, though not impossibly difficult. So, Jones refocused on his personal training, cracked the whip as only he could, and Casey responded. Machine Pullover or Dumbbell and Cable Pullovers Together. However, Ray used a variety of techniques to up the ante on his training. Rest 2 to 3 minutes Height: 5'9" . Weight: 220 lbs. Wood supervised Viator for six weeks and reported back to Jones that he had trouble getting Viator to give him his best effort. Furthermore, he was generally thought of as being anti-strength training, anti-HIT, and anti-Nautilus. Shoulder presses, declines, inclines, pull-downs, curls, etc. Mike was exercising six days a week in the gym, typically for up to three hours at a time, when he started his four years of service in the US air . Ellington Darden: When I joined Arthur Jones and Nautilus in 1973, it wasnt long before Hutchins drove to Florida to see for himself what was happening. But they can be fairly close and still very significant. Over the course of several videos, the brothers put Markus through three high intensity workouts: 1. This article is from 2003 to read a more updated article on how Mike Mentzer had a "Heavy Duty" mindest and workout regime Click Here. Instead, the book was assigned to Carol Angstadt, of Rodales womens publishing group, who had never before been involved with a bodybuilding book. Id respond to them. Rodale also is behind a number of magazines, such as Mens Health and Prevention. According to him, 1-2-3 diets (fat-carb-protien)aminos, vitamins, and a strict training routine is much much better than juice. Once you had experienced Joness brutally hard workouts, it was difficult to duplicate them on your own. Preacher curls - 1 x 10 reps, Note: Ray Mentzer's Routine is based on High Intensity Training for more info see The Colorado Experiment Workout. He had a lot of questions for me and I had to dig pretty deep for some of the answers. Drew Baye: While its important not to workout too long or too often, do you think that many high intensity training enthusiasts have gotten carried away with reducing the volume and frequency of their training? She was intending to do a series of instructional videotapes and wanted to check out the studios in Lake Helen. In his prime, Ray was one of the strongest bodybuilders, if not the strongest, with 900 pounds squatted for 2 reps. Ray is among the strongest bodybuilders I have ever seen, according to Bill Pettis. Today, I live approximately 25 miles from Ken. If you have not developed the metabolic conditioning to follow these routines, then back off. Thus, he simplified his routine to upper body only. Drew Baye: That 18-1/2 pounds of muscle built by David Hudlow in two weeks seems almost too good to be true. Squat Jones began immediately training Viator on a three-times-per-week schedule, and true to his expectations, Viator started growing. He took the Nautilus training principles and helped explain them in a way that people could easily understand and apply, and without insulting people in the process like Arthur did. Barbell CurlStage reps Pullover At about the same time, he hired Kim Wood to take charge of the Quonset Hut workout room at DeLand High School, where all the training occurred. Gday Drew Are they planning anything special to promote your book? Arthur Jones was a genius, but he had a tendency to be abrasive with some people, and if it were not for people like Ell Darden and Jim Flanagan who were much better with people the Nautilus company and Arthurs training principles probably would not have been as successful as they are. In the middle of the Nautilus compound was a non-descript, 30- by 50-foot, metal building, which was the home of 40 large crocodiles that Jones had brought in from Jamaica. In early 1971, because of business and travel commitments, Jones stopped personally training Viator. Today, that percentage of involvement has shrunk by half, which leaves approximately 8 percent. Remember, this was on an advanced bodybuilder, the hardest specimen to realize real muscle growth because of being so close to his genetic potential. But when someone or something emerged, Mike would jump overboard or make himself invisible. There is this rumour going on that Ray had squatted as much as 900 pounds, with Darden confirming Ray could almost certainly handle 700 odd pounds in powerlifter form. Ellington Darden: The last Mr. Olympia contest that I attended was in 1995 in Atlanta. There we were: Ken Hutchins and Ellington Darden kneeling at the feet of Dr. Kenneth Cooper, while he lectured to us on aerobic exercise. Kens parents would not permit him to play football. None of that helped Mikes health, and unfortunately, he died of a heart attack in 2001 at the age of 49. timed static contractions have become popular with some instructors for use with clients who cant perform certain exercises through a full range of motion due to physical problems or injuries. Compared to full-range exercise, Id have to say that full-range exercise given that youre dealing with healthy trainees would supply many more benefits. In fact, NTF workouts may speed recovery by supplying some of the chemistry to guard against atrophy and to facilitate active rest. Ellington Darden: Ive trained Boyer Coe, Joe Means, Scott Wilson, and Ray Mentzer to name four. His reps and negatives were similarly sluggish. Here we have a sound explanation for recommending multiple joint exercises for bodybuilders seeking muscle size increases. Casey could make his biceps, in a series of three distinct contractions, grow more massive as he moved his forearm closer to his shoulder. Divide the movement into thirds. He built a super, heavy duty hydraulic with a control that a training partner could operate. He achieved the same in the AAU Mr. America competition one year later. 06-08-2013, 11:15 AM Ray Mentzer Workout Here are some excerpts, from a 1979 interview where Ray talks about his workouts leading up to his Mr. America victory. Chin Mike Mentzer's brother, Ray, put three-eights on an inch on his presumably larger upper arm in six weeks, performing no more direct arm work that chins and dips. Studies since then have confirmed much of what Jones believed concerning negative work. Ellington Darden: A NTF session is where on each exercise, you stop the set two repetitions short of an all-out effort. Whats up with the whole black or white thing? He accepted Joness pushing to a magnitude that few people could have stomached. I apply many of the techniques in my workouts each week. When Joe Cirulli, Jim Flanagan, Joe Mullen, and I visited Arthur Jones on July 29, 2004, some thought-provoking discussion took place concerning a new HIT concept. Mike and Ray are genetic oddities, and I never imagined theyd turn out the way they did. Mike started working out three times a week, and at the age of 15, despite only weighing 165 pounds, he could bench press 370 pounds (170 kilograms) (75kg). In this interview the author of the best-selling Nautilus book series retraces his early training days with Arthur Jones and Casey Viator and talks about some of the golden-age bodybuilders who inspired him. Sadly the whole Menter family seemed to have health problems and all died at a fairly young age, the most shocking was that Mike Mentzer died of heart failure at 49 years old and Ray from kidney failure just a few days later at only 47 years old. The pullover done on a Nautilus machine is an example of an exercise that works a very large volume of muscle without being a compound movement. Also, my soreness from deadlifts lasted an entire 7 or 8 days! He was known for lifting over 900lbs in squats, and for weighing 275lbs of rock-solid muscle at one point. How were they to work with? I want no part of it. He quickly competed in and won the Junior Mr. America and IFBB Mr. America competitions. 1-2 Sets for as Long as Possible. Out of curiosity, which one do you like the best? To this day, Im a firm believer in strength training the neck, for both athletes and nonathletes. Drew Baye: In chapter 9 of your new HIT book, you talk about meeting and working with Mike Mentzer. Drew Baye: Did you ever train Arnold Schwarzenegger when he visited Nautilus? The website's content is not a substitute for direct, personal, professional medical care and diagnosis. While Mike Mentzer was serving in the US Air Force, he would work 12-hour shifts, and then follow that up with 'marathon workouts', as was the accepted standard in those days. This new one will be directed to men over 60 years of age. Thus, I spend about half of my 272-page book relating the stories and experiences of Jones. There were several times when he appeared to be interested, but it quickly faded. I know a lot of people believe that adding that much muscle so quickly is impossible. Mike Mentzer (November 15, 1951 June 10, 2001), Ray Mentzer (August 2, 1953 June 12, 2001). He and some other guys would perform squats for hours on end. 2 Sets of 6-8 Reps. Bent-Over Barbell Row (Mentzer Style) or Wide Grip Cable Row. Drew Baye is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. But one of my main problem with the book was that he seemed to put down Mike Mentzer!! Ray Mentzer was even stronger than Mike, right? As bodybuilders most of us want to feel as though we're "sculpting our bodies" not allowing nature (read: rest) to do most of the job for us. As you stated, however, theres a place for timed static contractions in exercising people who have certain limitations. This was largely because of his new training regimen, Heavy Duty Training, which was developed by Mike Mentzer, his older brother by 21 months. Ellington Darden: Ray did have a sense of humor and he often had a joke up his sleeve. Drew Baye: How about a little word, or phrase association test that relates to the bodybuilders youve trained or seen? !,especially now that hes dead and kept on raving about Casey Viator. Breakfast. I was going to watch the deliberations from my angle for 10 minutes, and join the action. But I heard about his visit from Jones, Viator, and Larry Gilmore. You must be logged in to post a comment Yates' drug routines have been published and were an earlier version of today's polypharmaceuticals - far beyond the relatively lightweight stacks of the 70s. Miller cant understand why anyone interested in lifting and bodybuilding would want to get involved with drugs. Upright Row Recently, I attended a reunion of Texas bodybuilders and lifters from the 1960s, which was held at Ronnie Rays home in Dallas. Rest 2 to 3 minutes Naturally, isolation is an important component for stimulating muscle growth, and exercises that work large muscle areas don't have to be compound movements. 2022 Sugar Zam. Mentzer's heavy-duty training system. Then release it for another positive. His left arm was 19 inches. Joness measured Arnolds flexed right upper arm cold at 19-1/2 inches. and a mutual friend told me that Cooper still didnt care for strength training. It was about 20 degrees outside and the Atlanta airport was the middle of an ice storm, so all flights were delayed. A situation of increase and decline Less than 48 hours after Mikes passing, he passed away, leaving the bodybuilding community in complete darkness. When did you go all absolutionist? 8/2/53 Died: 6/12/01 He had a reputation for squatting over 900 pounds and for once weighing 275 pounds of rock-solid muscle. Here is Mike Mentzer's chest routine: 1. I have read before that Mike and Ray Mentzer were really into using amphetamines to train harder. For more than ten years, Mentzer's Heavy Duty program involved 7-9 sets per workout on a three day-per-week schedule.With the advent of "modern bodybuilding" (where bodybuilders became more massive than ever before) by the early 1990s, he ultimately modified that routine until there were fewer working sets, and more days of rest. Regarding what he learned from Ayn Rand, Mentzer said in an interview:. As we discussed the topic further, I glanced across the lobby, which was in the center of four departure-arrival gates. During the 10 years that Ken worked at Nautilus, he and I were involved in four major strength-training and fat-loss projects, as well as dozens of Nautilus-related seminars and workshops. Home BLOG Products Online Courses Videos About Support Search. I dont believe Casey ever got his muscular, competitive body weight above 220. Who framed Roger Rabbit? Was their something in the environment or education system that motivated you guys into weight training? There was none of this flexed posturing that you normally see among men with big arms. Ray was concerned about this since he didnt want his brother to put too much stress on his body given that he knew he had cardiac issues. If any nontheoretical, real-life example will serve to prove the efficacy of indirect effect. I do this by sharing stories, techniques, and routines the basics of which I experienced from being around Arthur Jones for more than 30 years. Learn how to use high intensity training to build muscle! Jones applied this concept frequently in the early 1970s, but seldom mentioned it in his writings and lectures. Furthermore, he bench-pressed and deadlifted significantly more weight in 1970 than I did in 1962. It works. Casey Viators training history at Nautilus provides an interesting example. Arthur almost killed me, Viator remembered. After multiple visits, Hutchins was hired in 1977 by our sports-medicine orthopedist to be his assistant. Has a great fear of ocean swimming because he doesn't "want to become filet mignon for some shark!". Ellington Darden: When I became interested in bodybuilding in 1959, I naturally started reading the muscle magazines. Indirect effect can be thought of as a sort of ripple effect. Ellington Darden: Great question, in fact, I could make a winning case for each one, or the idea that they are equally important. Benny Podda told me they would have five and six guys and squat for hours (how many hours was never defined), multiple sets, long rest periods, etc. Mike Mentzer Heavy Duty Workout Is One of the Hottest Topic in Bodybuilding. Between 1979 and 1980, Mr. Olympias, high intensity training, got on the peak and Mike Mentzer (Born on 15th November 1951 - Died on 10th June 2001) even seemed to be on the verge of giving transformation to the realms of bodybuilding. Who is he? Serves coffee strong enough to stand an elephant on its ear. 2021 Drew Baye. This would require a weight that would take you to failure in between 6 and 9 reps. Then, once you hit failure, keep going. Evidently, her interest in seeing the video studios had vanished. One day, Martina Navratilova, the famous tennis player phoned. bussard_collector 1 yr. ago. Nice interview Drew. He quickly competed in and won the Junior Mr. America and IFBB Mr. America competitions. After years of competition, Mike decided to quit his competitive career and concentrate on new projects in 1982. The legacy he left to those in the Iron Game is his controversial workout program, Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty. Mike Mentzer's brother, Ray, put three-eights on an inch on his presumably larger upper arm in six weeks, performing no more direct arm work that chins and dips. It's rumored he could bench press 370lbs (170kg) at the time. Whole-body routines: To quote Arthur Jones, Split routines make about as much sense as sleeping with one eye open. Each routine in the new HIT features at least some exercise for both your upper body and lower body. Chest & Back. McCutcheon placed high in a few contests in Great Britain and relocated in 1992 to Portland, Oregon, where he became an engineer for Novellus Systems. If Mike would have won the Olympia, the world of professional bodybuilding might now be significantly different. No one could motivate Casey the way Arthur could. A little known fact is that Arthur Jones went through the same training program in Colorado as Casey, with one exception: He did no lower-body exercise. Ray would approach failure after the ninth rep because the weight would be too heavy. Your goal is for each repetition to take 30 seconds: 15 seconds on the positive and 15 seconds on the negative. The real secret to building huge MUSCLE MASS & STRENGTH is HIGH INTENSITY TRAINING! Delayed onset muscular soreness is not completely understood, but there does appear to be a relationship with microtrauma. When a trainee thought he was finished, Jones could always get at least two more reps from that individual. Rodales marketing team assures me that the book will be: Excerpted in Mens Health MUSCLE magazine (September issue). They favored lower reps so it was different than the way someone like Platz and Casey generated intensity. Harder, briefer exercise helped create larger, stronger muscles. He retired at age 29 and switched to training other bodybuilders. There is a lot of research on microtrauma and hypertrophy. As for gaining eighteen pounds of muscle in two weeks, Ive never personally trained anyone who has put on that much size, but knowing how quickly I can put on a few pounds with creatine I wouldnt rule out the possibility that someone like David Hudlow who is much larger than I am could gain a significant amount of size with Ells creatine loading protocol. So he hired Mike and Ray Mentzer in early 1983 with the notion that they'd come in and make a big . Disclaimer: This website is an educational service that provides general health information. Viator more than doubled Hudlows rate of growth. The New Bodybuilding for Old-School results is sold out, but we can point you toward . In fact, we ended up chauffeuring Cooper to his hotel. Similar things can be said of delts, calves and abs based on the same principle. But first, the medical professionals had to determine whether Mikes kidney was compatible with Rays. She called a cab and within 15 minutes, was on her way to Orlando. As a result, I gave him some articles by Arthur Jones to ponder. Mike Mentzer helps brother Ray go beyond failure on machine shoulder presses. After graduating from high school, he worked in United States Air Force and started working out 3 hours a day and 6 days a week. Ray went to bed after a long and demanding day at work, but Mike continued to work late. High-intensity training (HIT) is a form of strength training popularized in the 1970s by Arthur Jones, the founder of Nautilus.The training focuses on performing quality weight training repetitions to the point of momentary muscular failure.The training takes into account the number of repetitions, the amount of weight, and the amount of time the muscle is exposed to tension in order to . We both should have discussed it more. Then his brother died two DAYS later at age 47. The men in the magazines that I admired were the classic physiques, such as Steve Reeves and John Grimek, as well as Ron Lacy, who won the Mr. America in 1957 and had terrific calves. Employ forced reps when possible. McCutcheon trains by himself in his basement. There we were with thousands of frustrated people and a couple of hours to burn. Here is where indirect effect comes in. Of course, the lower back is also stimulated because it is involved in the move. "For a while Mike and I strayed from our high intensity, heavy poundage workouts into a program using lighter weights and higher reps. Ray Mentzer's experience is it. Ellington Darden: Joness specialty was intensity. Mentzer is a man of enormous natural talentpotential no less notable than other bodybuilders who know little of high intensity. But he still added 11-3/4 pounds of muscle in 14 days. Mike Mentzer High Intensity Training Full Body Workout | 3 Day Split Routine HIT Bearer 2.81K subscribers Subscribe 297 7.7K views 4 months ago #mikementzer #bodybuilding #2022 In this. So a quality, set of curls ought to take longer to recover from that is used to, 20 muscular pounds and an inch of size ago. Mentzer starting pumping iron at the age of 12 at a bodyweight of 95 pounds. Pull downs - 1 x 8 reps Created by Mike Mentzer (1951 - 2001)as much philosopher as he was bodybuilderthe Heavy Duty method is one that incorporates high-intensity training along with lower rep ranges and heavier weights. Come on, Im not that daft!!!!! Press Behind NeckStage reps Edit: two DAYS not years, my b Ive experimented with all styles of leg presses and this one is the hardest of all. I dont know what went wrong., New High Intensity Training Book Differences. He sort of reminds me of the character John Wayne played in his old western movies. Darden says that isotonic work provides more work for the cardiorespiratory system, but in my experience isometric work can also be very taxing. That sounds like a long workout but marathon training sessions where common practice amongst the Golden Era Bodybuilders. He himself typically trained three times a week and his 30-minute workouts incorporated no more than 5 sets per body part. I disagree with Darden that theres a strike against isometrics vs negatives here. Start your reps immediately with each breakdown; don't spend an extra moment as a breather. A similar result occurred when Arthur Jones put Ray on an eight-exercise, one-set-to-failure (drop sets being considered one set) exercise program in 1983.
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