To take advantage of the cartridge's MPBR (+/- 3"), sight-in the .28 Nosler 160 grain factory load to hit 2.39 inches high at 100 yards. Recoil is stout, but manageable. Okay, maybe not a pallet, but a lot. Any cartridge in a caliber big enough to hit an elk hard hits you hard, too. Fear of recoil ruins the best laid plans of mice and men, and thats why choosing the best elk cartridge requires thorough research and honest assessment. Why I believe the actual on target energy is about the same as felt recoil. at 3,000 fps. Faster models like .270 Wby. Let me confess that I, too, consider these best caliber articles overdone and quite subjective, but by hashing them over and over, we gain insights. Not exactly modern, not sizzling, hot or sexy. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . As is a high energy bullet that blows up upon impact at close range. Chambered in .28 Nosler, this 8 pound, 8 ounce setup kicks quite hard. Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. One of the most popular magnums of all time. We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. For the fourth consecutive time in as many days, the 27 Nosler had done exactly what I had asked of it. Any rifle strong enough to contain the 7mm Rem. Although perhaps not an ideal extreme range cartridge, the .338 shoots surprisingly flat. Close or far, thick timber or wide-open, the .338 Win Mag is an elk cartridge! Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. The Ammunition that I will be focusing on for the 27 Nosler are factory Nosler Trophy Grade 150 grain AccuBond and 165-grain AccuBond Long Range offerings. At 50 and at sea level your SF would be 2+. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The .270s are similarly adequate for elkwith caution. At Nosler velocities, no elk is going to stop a mono metal bullet. I can wait to get it back. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the fat .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. I have both and have taken all of my fast .30 elk with them. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. And then what will barrel life be like? If you were to buy a scope for all around elk hunting/500 yards and in 2.5x8 would be just . Follow along to see exactly how. Joined Feb 19, 2010 Messages 3,240 Location GODS COUNTRY IDAHO. This list of the best cartridges for elk hunting starts with the welterweights and moves up to the heavy hitters. This was and is one key to the .300 Win. I dont personally shoot extreme ranges when hunting by any means, but when I can consistently hit 600 yards in practice, I know 300 wont give me any trouble when hunting. slug from the .300 Win. The problem with the medium magnums (over .30 and less than .375): There are few to choose from, and only the .338 is genuinely popular with a robust selection of loads. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. bear a closer comparison. No matter, people are shooting at elk at longer ranges, and todays rifles, optics, and bullets will get there. The smaller the bullet, the higher its quality and the more precise its deposit must be. No experience with this specific bullet, but with my .270 I have taken 5 elk (2 bulls, 3 cows) with the 150gr Federal Fusion in factory load. Im not suggesting that elk rifles should be four times more powerful than deer rifles, but elk are tough. Well, bullet weight, perhaps? []. Mag., and elk hardly know the difference. However, if I had it to do over, Id get a .300 PRC. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). The elk took 3 steps and collapsed. from a .338 Federal should deliver 1,711 f-p energy at 300 yards and drop just nine inches. The 27 Nosler can . Absolutely! A few more calibers throwing those famous .308 bullets include the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum, .300 SAUM, .300 WSM, .30/308 Norma Mag., .300 H&H, 30 Nosler, .300 Wby. I haven't loaded the 27 nosler. Just make sure you have the best rifle for the terrain you intend to hunt. loads. On much of their marketing material for the cartridge, they call it The New Herd Bull.. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. Elk dont like any of this. True. trajectory may explain how the 7mm Rem. A natural question now is if other gun makers will chamber for the 27 Nosler and .277 SIG Fury. Any rifles already chambering for any of the fatter magnums like the RUMs, Dakotas, or .338 Lapua should be fit to fit the 27 Nosler. It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. When hunting elk with a rifle, shooting distances vary widely depending on the topography and vegetation youre hunting. Makes me feel good to see I am within 150 fps of the 27 Nosler. Believe it or not, with the right bullet, it can hang right with the .300 Win Mag without the recoil. They shoot flatter, kick less, and with the great modern bullets we have, they do the job! Mag. H4350 130 grain Barnes TSX 2980 fps in 22 inch barrel. Obviously velocity is also a ballistics indicator and on the side of the coin, a 400 grain 416 clobbers most anything. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? 28 Nosler barrel life is around 700-900 rounds for 175-grain bullets. Mag., 27 Nosler, .277 SIG Fury. I am thinking of bullet weight and higher B.C. Be the first to hear about our latest news and events. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. After all, this was the round Bell used to collect 800 elephants and untold numbers of Cape buffalo. The Browning X-Bolt Pro I purchased in .28 Nosler weighs a mere 6 pounds, 10 ounces un-scoped. Keep it on 4 unless you have lots of time at longer range then you can crank it up. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. You might want to grab yourself a 27 Nosler unless. In this article, Ill cover the pros and cons Ive found with shooting the .28 Nosler on my recent big game hunting adventures. Bill Buckley. Adequate, but be careful and watch the distance. Yes, the 7mm bullet flies better and can be pushed a bit faster, yet the .30-caliber bullet has more frontal area, dealing a harder initial blow. The 27 Nosler shares the same caliber as the storied .270 Winchester and other .27 caliber rifles. retains the title of best balanced elk caliber in it. It will work but a little much. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high . The pieces of the .277 Sig Sauer cartridge are assembled via an internal pressure ring of some kind near the base. Mag. If you like your hearing, on the other hand, shooting without a brake will kick hard. The energy number does not matter. More power. We use cookies to make your experience better. The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. bullets with B.C. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Though Nosler offers just two loads, the handloader can take full advantage of the full gamut of component bullets available for the .270 Winchester and others, giving the handloader a bullet range of 130 to 165 grains. Not faster, not always more accurate, but designed around modern bulletswhich really do offer a long-range advantage. I know small-framed hunters who happily pay the gravitational price for packing Granddads M1886 Winchester lever-action in .45/70. I tested the new cartridge at the bench in both the Nosler Model 21 and Nosler Model 48 rifles, and was pleased with the results; the 165-grain load averaged just under -MOA, and the 150-grain load just under one-MOA. But the .338 Win. Call me crazy but the 117hh at 3700 would be hard to beat at 500yds. Just be aware that shot angles and placement do become critical as bullet mass and energy decline. Mag. However, simply not passing through the body is not necessarily a bad thing, and depends highly on the bullet construction. Yet, for those who enjoy hunting across the continent or the globe, the 27 Nosler makes a very flexible package that can handle deer and black in the forests, yet reach out across a canyon to handle a bull elk, or across the vastness of the tundra when in pursuit of caribou. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . Your email address will not be published. The Nosler version should be even better. One of the shots put the wildebeest flat on the ground immediately. If you like velocity, the 27 Nosler will fit the bill, as it drives the 150-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps, and the 165-grain bullets to 3150 fps. This is, perhaps, one of the worst ways to measure a cartridges suitability for hunting because it doesnt take into account shot placement or bullet design; however, it at least provides some barometer of the cartridges power. But that doesnt seem to matter. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. Again, bullet weight. I could go for one of the several faster .33s, but Ive tried most of them. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. can be laid at the feet of the shooter or the bullet used. At 2,500 fps and a B.C. Some come in ultralight rifles for easy mountain hunting, some in extra heavy platforms for stand hunting or longer range shooting. With its case capacity (98.4 grains water compared to about 80 grains in a .270 Wby. Home on the Range: The flat-shooting 27 Nosler is an ideal open-country hunting cartridge. 28 Nosler/160 AB is a great elk combination. Product #: 503034. Although Ive been shooting all my life, I have to mentally check my shoulder mount before I pull the trigger. 27 Nosler Load Data It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. This gives it the necessary elasticity to expand and seal the chamber while the stronger steel keeps the head from rupturing. In fact, thats one of the very best elk bullets out there. These rifle weight/size considerations will influence cartridge size, especially length. Of the seven chamberings offered in the Premier Highlander, the 300 PRC, 300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm Magnum and 28 Nosler all are up to taking elk. Less variety in factory loads on the market. Mag., and you understand why its not just the most popular .300 magnum of all time, but one of the best all-round elk calibers of all time. Personally I find rifle energy a poor measure of killing ability. Which begs the question: Why arent more bird hunters using them? Do you prefer a standard-length action or short? Shoot her.. Mag. Retains > 1,700 foot/pounds of energy at 500 yards. I usually shoot 168 grain Nosler ABLR 160 grain Nosler AB bullets. You, your kids, and 90 percent of the shooters might love the SIG Cross rifle, in which case the .277 SIG Fury might be your baby. The Barnes penetrate . This point, however, brings up a problem with the .28 Nosler if you plan to shoot factory loads rather than reloading yourself. Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. Because of lower pressure and achieving full velocity with less powder, the .30-06 has less felt recoil than a 7mm Remington Magnum. Heft up to a 10-pound rifle and kick will calm to just 32.7 ft-lb. Thats good enough for 3,500 ft-lb muzzle punch. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. 27 Nosler sets a new standard. 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler Cartridges. Mag. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. I wouldnt hesitate to take the 27 Nosler on any elk or moose hunt, and Id also feel comfortable using it on the full gamut of African plains game, as well as leopard. Zero both three inches high at 100 yards and at 400 yards they both drop 11.3 inches and deflect about 8.5 inches in that 10 mph breeze. But that has nothing to do with the actual performance of the .277 SIG Fury cartridge or rifle. This nudges MV (muzzle velocity) to 3,200 fps and increases recoil velocity to almost 18 fps and energy to nearly . bullets. I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. At 300 yards that bullet should still carry nearly 2,700 ft-lb energy, which is close to what a 180-grain .308 Winchester coughs up at the muzzle. This short-fat, looking remarkably similar to the 6.8 Western, adds around 200 fps to the best Creedmoor speeds, and that lets you shoot the same bullets with less drop, less wind deflection, and more energy on target. Such tools may be infinitely adjustable for precision fit and performance, but Ill walk the woods and get my game with a more classic looking hunting rifle. 1:8.5 The 27 Noslers faster-than-standard twist barrel is designed to stabilize modern, long range bullets. And realize that after a hunt or choice you might want to choose differently. In my situation, I think the tradeoffs of recoil are far outweighed by the positive aspects of the cartridge. Energy and velocity are more indicators of bullet performance ability, along with penetration at range. Having said that, Id like to see more manufacturers focusing on deeper penetrating bullets in their .28 Nosler factory loads because the cartridge already shoots so fast that I am less concerned with expansion at a distance than I am about penetrationat least for elk. By this measurement, the .28 Nosler is one of the best elk cartridges for long range shooting. Elk are a big deal because theyre a big deer, and thus require big elk calibers. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. Only downside to the 27N is lack of high BC bullets to really stretch its legs out. Shooters who love the look of AR rifles with folding stocks, adjustable combs and LOP, barrel shrouds, etc. Commissions are earned for links to Brownell's, Amazon, MidwayUSA, GoHunt, OpticsPlanet, Sportsman's Warehouse, and other retailers. Calibers lighter and heavier than the 7mms through .338s can be considered excellent for elk. Thats a very nice lightweight setup, without going to the extremes. One of them was even a clean pass through and she only walked about 20 yards and piled-up. However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. The .338/06 adds about 200 fps muzzle velocity for about two inches less drop at 300 yards and roughly 300 ft-lb more punch. Whats different about the .277 Sig Fury is it gets that 3,000 fps from a 16-inch barrel. Selecting your perfect elk caliber hinges on you as well as the elk and the landscapes and habitat in which youll hunt them. The 300 WM typically fires bullets between 150 and 220 grains while the 28 Nosler fires bullet weights between 160 and 185 grains. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. Ideally, something like the .338 Lapua Magnum makes sense but, realistically, that is too much recoil. If zeroed three inches high at 100 yards, that slug should drop just 1.7 inches at 300 yards and deflect just 5.7 inches in a 10 mph right angle wind. All Rights Reserved. That said, the .284-inch bullet has two advantages. And I write calibers and cartridges because caliber means the diameter of the bore. Or even ten. Mag., look at a .338 Federal, .358 Win., or even 7mm-08 Win. The size of elk also varies. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. For 2020, Nosler has chosen to take the venerable 270 caliber to a new level with the introduction of the all-new 27 Nosler. The .28 Nosler is a cartridge developed by the Nosler Corporation. . For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Do you feel a 140 grain Barnes TTSX would be suitable for elk? 7mm Remington Magnu n. 28 . I have tremendous respect for elk. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? I warned you this is a big family. Google a 270 win - 280 rem comparison and it will tell you all you need to know. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. After years of the 6.5mm craze, we may be about to witness the .270 rising. Faster models like .270 Wby. The difference is .07 of an inch, the animal in the receiving end will never know that difference. Any rifle/cartridge adequate for elk at long range is also adequate up close, but my concept of a thick-cover elk rifle uses a heavy, large-diameter bullet, without concern for flat trajectory or extreme velocity. The easier the terrain, the heavier the hunting rifle youll be able to tolerate. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Thats ok. Live and learn is a common aphorism for a reason. Its been one of the best selling, popular all-round hunting cartridges in the U.S. Much of its appeal is reasonable recoil, fairly significant muzzle velocity in the 3,000 fps range, mid-sized bullet weights found to be ideal for taking deer-sized game and good enough for some larger stuff with good design and placement. The 22, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 32 Noslers. Your taste in rifle weight, mass, and recoil will color your choices. It usually includes hiking steep country for days with a pack on your back. The 7mm Rem Mag has slipped in popularity, but with todays off-the-chart BC bullets, it is still a fine choice. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. arrived in 1958 as a short magnum derived from the .375 H&H belted magnum case. Unless you want a new, longer range rig, then go for it! It was and still is Everymans (and womans) 30 magnum. Okay, but minimal. My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. A high B.C. So, for an all-around elk-thumper, Ive gone back to the .338. Winchesters original loadings included a 200-grain bullet rated 3,000 fps, a 250-grain at 2,700 fps, and a heavy 300-grain at 2,450 fps from 24-inch barrels. Watch videos, see the latest gear and more. The .338 Win. Wonderful elk cartridge, so is the .325 WSM, but theyre not common. The Nosler M48 Carbon Mountain Rifle is reviewed and taken to the range, where we shot and tested several handloads. On the contrary, 150-180 grain bullets in 300 Win Mag can hold up to 1000 rounds. The muscle car of .277-caliber cartridges is the recent 27 Nosler. (Or you can just stalk closer and to heck with pushing the envelope. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. May 28, 2019 By Layne Simpson. Both have way better bullet selection in better grain weights compared to the 270. 27 Nosler 145 Hornady ELD-X-How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. Skis are easily the most efficient way to cover snowy ground on foot in winter. Bugling rifle hunts arent common, but they still exist. Mag. bullet like the Swift Scirocco will retain 2,350 ft-lb at 400 yards, 1,500 ft-lb clear out at 600 yards. The elk offers a huge vital zone. If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. A year later, I couldnt be happier with my purchase. 27 Nosler 150gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 27 Nosler 165gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. Along with the .30-06 Springfield and .30-30 Winchester, these cartridges have anchored more deer than any others. The heaviest HH for your twist is the 148gr, but you'd have to watch oal as it is 1.48 inches long. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. In the article it states that the 28 Nosler carries 1500 ft lbs tot 747 yards. Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! Give a Gift
First, 7mm bullets tend to have better aerodynamics, so they will strut their stuff better at longer ranges. For deer and pronghorn, to much gun. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Jan 29, 2023 #2 Dang about a month ago shooters pro had blems for $16/25. Short action chamberings are likely to be in shorter, lighter rifles, so instead of a .338 Win. In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. This review can help with that. Add in the lighter recoil of the .300 Win. But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. Ammo is easier to find in a greater variety of bullet weights and styles, too. Federal Terminal Ascent Hunting Bullet: Field Review, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. Mag., and .300 RUM are all 30 calibers, but significantly different 30-caliber cartridges. numbers hitting .590 or so, keep velocities at 3,000 fps with carefully built handloads, and 300-yard drop is only 2.3 inches, wind deflection 4.7 inches, retained energy 2,700 ft-lb. The .264 topped out at 140-grains. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. Many an elk hunter has suggested the .300 Win. Im not convinced this is a good thing. Thats not a typo. Roughly equivalent to a . With this bullet, each elk dropped in it's tracks with only one shot, all between 100-350 yards away. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. Reno Nevada. . These days certain 6.5mms have been growing in popularity despite relatively light bullets and muzzle velocities well under 3,000 fps. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler is 400fps faster than a 270 Win, and 300fps faster than a 270 WSM at the muzzle. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Required fields are marked *. In 1963, everyone knew the all-American .30/06, so they had a benchmark against which to judge this belted magnum throwing the same familiar bullets 200 fps faster. Measured in foot pounds of energy, the .28 Nosler is a powerhouse. Not sure of performance gains or losses between the two. When it first came out in 1962, it sent the then four-year-old .264 Winchester Magnum into a tailspin. The immediate success of the 7mm Rem. |
Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. As an elk cartridge, the .30-06 still shines. Figure an 8-pound rifle spitting a 150-grain bullet slapping your shoulder with about 30- to 34 foot-pounds of energy at 16 fps. Performance improves. It might be impossible to find the rifle you want and darn tough to find factory loads to feed it. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. 1 Write a Review Q&A (2) Our Price: $110.99. Unless you work with a custom gun builder and handload, study factory options before choosing. Another desirable choice is the also-scarce .358 Winchester, and I took a fine Colorado bull with a Marlin in .338 Marlin Express, a great cartridge. Nosler has built quite a cartridge family, and it continues to grow. No discussion of a cartridges ability to take large game would be complete without discussing foot pounds of energy. I did not determine the rifling twist rate of the Cross Rifle, but Im guessing it will be faster than the traditional 1-10 inches of the .270 Winchester. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. Maybe they are still there . When Winchester came out with this modification of the .30-06 these was no other 27-caliber cartridge in the world. But where it deviates from its barrel-diameter brethren is in case capacity. With the right bullet and .308 hunting rifle, the ubiquitous .308 Winchester is more than adequate out to 300 yards where a high B.C. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. The final arbiters of the Best elk calibers are you and the elk, but here are my top five that I chose for their balance of power, reach, recoil, trajectory (drop and drift,) availability, affordability in reasonably compact, light, mountain ready rifles. The distance does not matter. Joined Feb 1, 2016 Messages 82. To prevent the risk of a 28 Nosler cartridge being chambered in a 27 Nosler chamber, the shoulder of the 27 Nosler has been moved slightly rearward, lengthening the neck slightly. But in the chart it says it carries it to over 1200 yards. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets in .277, specifically designed for the 27 Noslers faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist rate. Id go the 27 Nosler, the 270 WSM is awesome. How much more, exactly? Mag. Question. Good bullet design and placement seem to work just fine. How much will it cost? Lots of familiar rifles are chambered for it, ammo is abundant, variable and inexpensive. Over the decades, millions of deer, elk, sheep, bears and pronghorn have fallen to it, to grace the tables and walls of Americas hunters and add chapters to the American hunting lore.