He began by baptizing himself and then baptizing ten other members. Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. Greetings, It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. @greg Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. 16:18, concerning preserving the institution of the local church, that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Doctrinally sound New Testament churches have always existed from the time of Christ and the Apostles until today. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. HOME SERMONS ARTICLES CONTACT ABOUT US: Preacher's Ponderings. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Baptists strongly insist that Gods Word is not up for arbitration or subject to the individuals, groups, denominations or churchs private interpretation. . Memoirs of a Recovering Fundamentalist, 55. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. I cannot judge this man. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. Is this really what youre doing here? Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. I really have an issue with this point. Total. This site and others consistently speak about folks that follow and uplift man, in my faith I want only to lift up the God-man!! I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? God bless. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. We should stand out because we are different. The person, John the Baptist. These churches patterned themselves strictly after the New Testament example, and this made them valid churches approved of God. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. (See also Gal. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. : Yes Address: 1101 Pennsylvania Ave Monaca Pennsylvania 15061 United States Service Times: Sunday School 9:30, Sunday Morning 10:30, Sunday Evening: N/A as of 2/2023, Wednesday 6:30 Phone: 724-252-7885 Pastor's Name: Kevin Draganac It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. Please excuse me. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. 6.) In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. All others miss-use the name. 2. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. Look at Ezekiel 33. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. However, in the midst of all this apostasy, which was the founded the Roman Catholic church, there were groups of Christians who were never a part of the Christianization of the Roman Empire. Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. In answer your assumptions about me. I hope you can forgive me for perpetuating those stumbling blocks. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. 6. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! @greg I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. I attend an IFB church. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. Thanks and may God bless. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. // ]]> Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, 42. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. Steve must have been on vacation or something. Remember new testament christians are never compelled to give mandatory gifts, if you have been taught that, you have been taught wrong. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph.