Simply not true. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. (2 Cor. Everyone has sent in their life. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. For example, #54. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. IFB people as a whole, are generally willfully ignorant people. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. 8. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. Abortion is murder. We believe in salvation by grace See if you recognize any. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. G.F.F. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. WebWARNING!!!! Hypocrites! Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. Im not responsible for how its perceived. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. Its NOT ABOUT US! 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, beastiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography is a sinful perversion of God's original intent for a physical relationship between a husband and wife. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. This is an assumption.. If that doesnt raise red flags for you I dont know what will. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. BUT, there is good news! WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. People can ask for clarification if they want. We believe his power is supernatural, yet limited; and that he cannot act without the permission of God (Job 1:6-12; I John 4:4). Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. Well I am a little confused. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. We had no money. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Years ago, I heard a very funny but truthful skit on what was or wasnt OK. Each verse ended with, Its OK, because Independent Fundamental Baptist Preachers do it.. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. You can read more about that here: https://baptistdeception.com/cult/. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. All Catholics will not go to heaven is absolutely wrong. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. 45. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. 26. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. 7 You hypocrites! Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. 37. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. 36. 10. That apparently is what Christ would do. Some true, some not so much. Its pure manipulation. 52. Oh well, maybe another discussion. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. Whether we worship with hymns or hands int he air praise and worship songs, we are all suppose to be on the same side. 30. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading , The KJV isnt the inspired word of God. Its the inspired word of God. Jesus does that. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. I have no opinion on this The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. 8. Wow! Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years God works in mysterious ways. 47. I sought counciling to see if there was anything in the Bible that could give Hope to our relationship. We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. Wow, nice list. [2] They are described by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings." I prefer Kjv! Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. It didnt raise red flags for me. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. 11. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. The two are completely unrelated. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. The New Testament church should be an independent church. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. God forgave my husband through Christ. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. This is the first and great commandment. We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. The Bible is inspired and preserved by God and carries His absolute authority. This is because we live in this flesh. What a stupid thing to say. 28. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. So spontaneous but like it was planned. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. Every person is subject to these authorities, but all (including the authorities themselves) are answerable to God and are governed by His Word. 20. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. So I did. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. We will never attain that on this side. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Others are very much unfair criticism. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. 12. But I do know some churches practice free will offerings instead of tithing. Its my calling and my ministry. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. 4,2, and 7 month old. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. Great job adding a bit of levity! I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. Im told its because when u abandon the real truth, theres hardly any hope. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. LOL. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. 5. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. 5 Everything they do is for show. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Believers in a free society should influence government toward righteousness, but should not make an unholy alliance for control, influence, or favors. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. It is awful that they put the rules and instructions of their mythology ahead of their love for Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. XII. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. God Bless. My pastor has never taught that man can forgive sins. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers eye. 16 Blind guides! Believers will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the seven years of tribulation, and at the end of the tribulation Christ will return with His saints to establish His thousand-year reign on the earth (I Thessalonians 4:13-18; Titus 2:13; I Thessalonians 1:10; Revelation 3:10; Zechariah 14:4-11; Revelation 19:11-16, 20:1-6; Psalm 89:3-4). Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. Then you have churches with no standards . You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher 25. That makes no sense. I had my part. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here.